Until there is a quantum leap in technology, all stealth aircraft will share a common basic design. I’m looking forward to the post Covid wash up to see how things pan out with regard to both the shady shenanigans and also the competency angle. Delegates heard from Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Wigston and other RAF senior leaders who highlighted how Team Tempest is taking a revolutionary approach to partnership, engaging with a wide range of leading companies, SMEs and academia to bring leading innovators into the endeavour and ensure the UK remains at the leading edge of Combat Air systems development. The Typhoon is one only two aircraft on this list (the other is Gripen) with a mechanically scanned radar, a 20th century technology which leaves the sensor “… on the verge of complete obsolescence, with an inherently greater vulnerability to jamming and an inability to fully exploit the performance and capabilities of new weapons” according to some in the RAF Typhoon community. It is being developed by a consortium known as "Team Tempest", consisting of the UK Ministry of Defence, BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce, Leonardo S.p.A. and MBDA, and is intended to enter service from 2035 replacing the Eurofighter … In our original list from five years ago, the Gripen did not even make the top ten. But It wouldn’t just be a Navalised version, it would have to be STOL to be able to operate from our Carriers. (Asahi Shimbun file photo) Six AIM-120s limits the extent to which the F-22 can exploit its relative invisibility, and compromises from its stealthy design mean it does not have the range one would expect of such a large modern platform. Good question about the nukes. As a defender against bombers the MiG-31 may well be the most potent interceptor in the world. We need to select these partners very carefully in my opinion. Is the concept of a ‘fighter out moded? The only potential rivals, the Russian Su-57 and Chinese J-20, remain immature. hough the J-20 is generally described as an F-22 Raptor-class aircraft. 4 September 2019 (Last Updated September 4th, 2019 11:32) The British Royal Air Force (RAF) has completed a four-month Operation Azotize deployment to support the Nato Baltic Air Policing mission in Estonia. The additional fuel could confer either additional range, or long combat persistence, and this suggests that, if armed with a long-range AAM a role as an anti-AWACS or anti-tanker system. Pinterest. We have seen flying wings like BAE Taranis take form, so we know it’s possible. Today the only UK designed military aircraft in ADF inventory is the Hawk 127 trainers, and currently the RAAF has a project running to replace the Hawk, the front runner appears to be the Boeing T-7A. Participation at the event also included Tempest partners Thales and Spirit AeroSystems, both who have major bases in Northern Ireland. The F-22’s ‘mission capable‘ rate is very poor, it plunged from a FY2014 high of 72.7% to an alarming 60% in 2016 to a lamentable 49.01% in 2017! However, the type is let down by mediocre ‘high and fast’ performance, and fewer missiles and a smaller detection range than some of its larger rivals. They are an economic sleeping giant and very keen to keep up with China. Hi TrevorH, My understanding is that Italy and Sweden are represented on the corporate level as far as investment goes. I wonder what else will come to light… and if there are any resignations. The Cost’s involved developing two versions would be staggering. OK, so we said ‘top 10’, but the F-16 deserves a mention. What of the compromises? However, with modern flight control computers integrated with a digital inertial navigation through to a fly by wire system. Most of the problems of apparent non performance were had were caused by Dom trying to control freak everything. Flying wings are very efficient for a bomber or other long linger time aircraft like a observation drone but they are terrible at supersonic speeds or in sharp manoeuvres. BAE Systems, Leonardo UK, Rolls-Royce and MBDA UK are top notch R&D companies. Though the famously one-sided score sheet of the F-15 should be taken with a pinch of salt (Israeli air-to-air claims are often questionable to say the least), the F-15 has proved itself a tough, kickass fighter that can be depended on. Email. The additional fuel could confer either additional range, or long combat persistence, and this suggests that, if armed with a long-range AAM a role as an anti-AWACS or anti-tanker system. The third Russian fighter jet on the fastest fighter jet list, the Mikoyan design bureau built the MiG-31. The U.K. Ministry of Defence revealed a next-generation fighter jet concept model, dubbed Tempest, during the 2018 Farnborough Airshow, as part of the launch of a new, national Combat Air Strategy. The wing form seems to be the relative shape of the moment particularly in the stealth arena and has been for sometime in large drones coming to fruition. Just goes to show what can be achieved with £2b seed money. WhatsApp. By September 2019, three fighters types were equipped with the new generation MBDA Meteor missile. I’d settle for one very capable aircraft and try exporting it to Germany, France, Italy, USA, Spain, Australia, Japan, Korea and many others….. Hell why not ? Johnson’s team is largely sub-standard and simply not up to the job. The next Eagles for USAF will be extremely well-equipped, superior even to the F-35 and F-22 in some defensive aids and sensor areas. List of active United Kingdom military aircraft - Wikipedia BAE Systems, Leonardo UK, Rolls-Royce and MBDA UK are top notch R&D companies. Which in my humble opinion will be significant leaving any Tempest type aircraft in an air warfare management role rather than the dirty end of business. The project also has the LANCA remote carrier and MOSQUITO swarming drones linked unmanned systems. The Americans have already flown their version but nothing is being shown… and it’s being said it can be built economically. Typhoon has the excellent ASRAAM and IRIS-T short range IR missiles which can equal or surpass their Russian counterparts, but at long range the AMRAAM is showing its age and against Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) jamming technology which the Su-35S employs, its Pk drops significantly to the point that multiple missiles would likely be required to kill each target. This is lanca, the concept shows three of them working with a single Tempest, which is different from the ‘loyal wingman’ concept. The F-35 hasn’t entered full service nor has it reached full capability (the bucket STILL doesn’t work) so why did you place it above perfectly functioning aircraft like the meteor-wielding Gripen. The F-15X is a suggested variant with the latest technology and ‘missile truck’ mass AMRAAM load-outs (able to act as the ‘muscle’ to the Raptor’s ‘eyes’ in mixed formations). Issues with parts and software obsolescence have also dogged the aircraft, with recent efforts being made to provide more easily upgradable computer systems. I do not think the Italian or Swedish Governments have committed any funding as yet, certainly not on the scale of UK Government funding or it would have been announced with some sort of grand signing at ministerial level – none of which has happened yet. The F-15 remains the fastest Western fighter to have ever entered service, and is currently the fastest non-Russian frontline aircraft of any kind in the world (though an F-15 pilot we spoke to here said he’d never got a clean eagle over Mach 2.3). I’ve been thinking of the extent to which future satellite omni-presence and imagery may leave assets with limited hiding places over the same timespan. It seems so my friend…….. it’s obviously the ideal shape to deflect radar waves. This list only includes currently active fighters (so no Su-57s etc) and only includes weapons and sensors that are actually in service today. mate Foodian Slip is just so funny !!!! It lacks the agility (certainly at lower speeds) of its Russian counterparts, but in its most advanced variants has an enormously capable radar in the. Great post CR, can’t argue with any of that. First F-35 fighter jet lands onboard HMS Queen Elizabeth. Massive fuel reserves (if combined with an efficient engine) and a large weapons bay are likely to make the J-20 one of the best aircraft in this regard. He implements the technique of how birds fly without a vertical surface. ).… Read more ». The Gripen was the first fighter in the world to carry the long-delayed Meteor. Just how long is the UK (or Whatever) going to have to wait before a significantly overdue political upheaval gets rid of the HofL – as you so appropriately term it. F3R involves major software upgrades, and the full integration of Thales TALIOS long-range airborne targeting pod. I.e. That still really p****s me off. The F-35A has gained a formidable reputation in large-scale war-games; against conventional opponents the F-35 raking up a reported 17-1 simulated aerial victories. Not an expert but as i understand it so much of the cost (and technical advantage) these days is in technology and system development and software integration etc. I draw your attention to the supersonic Vickers Swallow and the Taranis, which is planned for mach 1. I would suggest less energy manoeuvrability, as the configuration is likely to have somewhat higher transonic drag. We can also just use the BAE Taranis surface elements for really hard maneuvering. There are characters there that are simply not up to the job…Williamson,… Read more », But lets be positive for a moment we do have a Sec Def who has managed to increase the budget so rather than cutting, RN is ordering. Lol, I’m guessing you didn’t intend to type that !!!!!! Or am I being a bit stupid. British Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets nearly clashed with Turkish Air Force F-16s over Cyprus. Never mind 20 years…..F-117 was introduced 37 years ago!! High and fast missile shots impart the AMRAAMs with greater energy, and so range, and allow the F-22 to stay out of harm’s way. High energy, excellent situational awareness and the best US-made made air-to-air missile give the F-22 a high probability of winning a BVR engagement against anything else. I should have said design. The current interim WS-10, and in particular the WS-10G engine, is powerful, but the WS-15 is (or will be) able to make the most of the airframe in terms of acceleration and supercruise. Achieving this depends on the degree to which China can overcome its historical problems with engine developments. US F-15Cs were among the first fighters in the world to receive the AIM-120D AMRAAM, the best Western air-to-air missile after the Meteor.With an estimated 100mile range, new hardware and software systems for improved navigation, an improved HOBS (High-Angle Off-Boresight) capability, the D model offers a significant advantage. Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, New early warning aircraft to be based in Scotland, Joint British-Qatari Typhoon Squadron fly over 60 missions, Airpower by novel means – Drones over Nagorno-Karabakh, BAE awarded advanced seeker production for LRASM, MQ-25 tanker completes flight with Aerial Refueling Store, HMS Prince of Wales to return to sea May 2021, HMS Northumberland on patrol off Scotland, UK ‘no intention’ of developing lethal autonomous weapons. But yes, high-G manoeuvres is where this concept needs to go and best tested for something viable. A Meteor on an a Rafale of the 4e Escadre de Chasse at Saint-Dizier. It is not clear from open source literature if this is the case, but it is likely the PLA are looking into it. But again, we’re seeing development that could fix this issue. Its superbly stealthy design means it is likely to remain undetected to enemy fighters, calmly despatching its hapless opponents. The benefit of a flying triangle is that you have far less drag (higher speed), a lot of… Read more », Yes, I have been watching the NASA program with interest. The aircraft must give its crews sufficient situational awareness not to shoot their friends down, and be easy to operate so it can deploy its weapons quickly and accurately. Its a placeholder, the actual shape hasnt been finalised yet. I agree that this is a real risk for a purely national undertaking. It sort of is a modern day TSR2, at least in respect of pushing the technological envelope… Looks absolutely stunning and I ‘really’ hope it happens. USA? Flexibility, pragmatism and quick wittedness are called for and apparently lacking pretty much across the board at the moment. This is to allow you to either re-position for another engagement, or to withdraw. Exactly this. Supercruise and a degree of stealth (though probably less than the F-22 from most aspects) will give the J-20 options, though it is likely to lack the energy manoeuvrability  of the F-22. Its greatest weakness remains its lack of an AESA radar and its non-stealthiness. With maybe around 100 35b’s FAA and RAF split, the B’s might all then be transferred to FAA for CSG as Tempest comes online. Again, totally agree CR, I’m hardly a ‘wild eyed rebel’ myself but aye, the ‘ruling classes’ have had a lesson with populist governments being the result. BAE Systems has also been trialing ‘psycho-physiological’ technologies, including eye-tracking, to study the operator’s physical and cognitive processes to better understand increasing exertion, stress, workload and fatigue. It also lacks the agility and high altitude performance of the F-22, Rafale or Typhoon. The British are in the early phases of developing a possible future fighter platform, having revealed Project Tempest at the Farnborough air show last year. The F-22 is now proven in combat; though it has not taken part in air-to-air combat, it has performed in the CAS, ISR and Combat Air Patrol missions over Syria, and more recently in Afghanistan. All governments will or have made mistakes but stuff like not shutting the borders etc is bound to be scrutinised. The perennial issue of immature Chinese engine technology is yet to be solved, and the current status of the Xian WS-15, the powerful definitive service engine, is unclear. Even in terms of missiles, the Su-35 can carry up to twelve to the F-22’s eight but combat practice, especially against stealthy targets, involves firing salvos of six missiles with mixed seekers so the Su-35 only really has two credible shots. MiG-31. In addition, signature (other than head-on) looks likely to be a bit greater. This requires the ability to carry enough weapons have good combat persistence and, often ignored, have sufficient availability and numbers to deliver a campaign rather than just an engagement. Though it should be noted that Meteor has not been tested in combat. (system overload ) and controls that will need millions of lines of code to operate ( delayed development and system fragility). However, the radar is a decent size, with good detection range and is fully mature. China is the second nation in the world to put an indigenous stealth fighter into operational service. It’s not about looks. ... 2019, it signaled the birth of the most lethal, aviation-capable amphibious assault … I imagine the advances will have more to do with reduced maintenance, increased efficiency and improved readiness. Have they just taken an image of the MiG-31 from “Firefox” and painted it grey? It looks more like a development… Read more », Indeed a lot depends on the balance between manoeuvrability and stealth I think. However, the downside to this is that the Irbis-E has to operate at extremely high power levels to achieve this performance and so is easily detectable and track-able at ranges beyond those at which it can track. Once air dominance is achieved then several external hard points would be available. Rafale has a more advanced radar than the other European and Russian fighters and weapons (Mica and the Meteor) that the Russians and Chinese do not known as well as the elderly and universal AMRAAM, and thus may be less able to counter. The announcement of Sweden’s collaboration on the project is expected to be made later this month at the Royal International Air Tattoo (RIAT). Leonardo has already built complete sub-systems using the new technology and successfully tested them at the Company’s site in Edinburgh with a path to airborne demonstrations in the coming years. I know a lot of people *(myself included) who voted for BoJo, not because we thought he was a stand up guy but because every other party in the UK was trying to twist the will of the people over Brexit. A Meteor-armed Typhoon intercepting a Russian Flanker close to Estonian air space in 2019. Facebook. Many of the teething problems encountered in Syria have now rectified. Considering that the USA is our major defence partner, history has shown, especially in recent… Read more », 6 posts before the beautiful TSR2 got mentioned…. I read that the US have a new radar system that can detect subs from the surface wake – which must be tiny. With present day technology it would be interesting to build a larger model and test it. An F-35A stealth fighter jet takes off during a drill from the Air Self-Defense Force’s Misawa air base in January 2019. Armament for A2A mission: Super Hornet (high drag ‘Christmas tree’) 12 x AIM-120, realistic = 6 x AIM-120C-7/D+ 2/4 AIM-9X ) (1 x 20-mm cannon). These projects need cross-party support at their initiation….otherwise, they forlorn ambitions! Though primarily an air-to-ground sensor the pod will improve target detection and identification. The moment of the roll can be better detected and thereby controlled. Additionally, unlike Typhoon, the canard is not closely coupled to the wing. I agree that more work needs to be done. Even if this programme does not go ahead UK aviation and high tech industries will benefit considerably. Surprisingly so in these times. It must be able to fly high and fast to impart the maximum range to its missiles, allowing them to hit the enemy before he is even aware of their presence. Some caution could be expressed about the Meteor, as it is far from being a combat proven weapon. Even with major partners, a most desirable outcome of course, such STOL design enhancements would add significant sales and operational attraction. Boxer went a head with out us, we just wasted 20 years and £5.6b getting absolutely nothing! The Su-35’s supremacy as the most potent Flanker variant may be challenged by the Chinese J-11D is some areas, notably the latter’s AESA radar, but its is believed that the J-11D is not yet in full mature operational service. Year later, they forlorn ambitions defending against them a very complicated task SAAB & other companies british fighter jets 2019. Despatching its hapless opponents gone it alone for quite a considerable time now new project. 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